Tonight I just had to get out. I actually felt it yesterday, but I let things get in the way. I hadn’t done this in a long time, and I was over due. So I left the house from about 9:20 – 9:55 and just prayed.
I haven’t written much about church lately. That’s been deliberate. I’ve been pretty discouraged about it, and I just didn’t know what I could say. Since my last post about 2 month ago, the deacons meetings have stopped. This was after our minister told the deacon’s group that he was the leader, and that he didn’t think that a team approach was the right way to go. He also spoke about needing help, wanting more input from us and others as we went forward. Since that time, we’ve had a couple of meetings together, but nothing recently.
I met with him for lunch on Saturday. I’ve been wanting to get with him for weeks, but couldn’t work it out (and I chickened out). He’s been gone overseas visiting the church we sponsor in Indonesia for about 2 weeks. One of the reasons I haven’t written about this was because I didn’t want to express my feelings publicly until he and I had an opportunity to talk.
So we finally were able to meet on Saturday. After some chit chat, I expressed how I felt that my fears over what he had said back in December about being in charge seem to be coming true. The deacons, in my mind the ones that should be his inner circle, weren’t being included or sought out for advice. It felt that he was just doing his own thing. I knew he wanted input and was probably getting some from somewhere, but it wasn’t from us. As far as official leadership in the church goes, it’s him, the campus minister and the deacons. We have no elders right now, that’s it. We also talked about some other dynamics that have been going on with giving out responsibility and accountability.
After I had said my piece, he expressed to me how this was a complete surprise to him. He had been feeling the opposite – that he was really trying to include people in the decision making. He had been asking for people to give their opinions, but had gotten little response. He had handed out responsibility, but people hadn’t really taken it. He was honestly trying, but felt unsupported. Ouch.
I left that conversation more hurt and confused than I was going in. I had hoped to break some ground, that there would be some recognition of sin and a change going forward. What I was left with was a bigger picture of the weakness in my church. Certainly, I think there are some things that could be done differently to help the situation (which we talked about and he acknowledged), but the magic bullet solution wasn’t there. What I was left with was a picture of a dis-unified, self absorbed, apathetic church. (That does not describe everyone, and is probably over the top, but it was the picture I saw right then.)
I had longed to have this conversation because I had thought that I could then get this off of my chest. That I could relieve the burden I had been carrying. But instead, I felt it even more! I was carrying the weight of the health of the church on my shoulders. I wanted to run and hide.
I should have gotten out and prayed last night, but I didn’t. Tonight, as I snapped at the kids, I knew that I couldn’t put it off. I had tried to pray in my home late on Sunday, but there were too many distractions. There’s nothing like a good walk and talking to God. So off I went.
I cried out to God, I ranted and raved. I asked why? What was the point of it all? What was being a Christian about, anyway? What was I to do? Was it my problem or just my pride to think I had an answer? I just want to serve Him. Was He putting this burden on me or was I taking up of my own? Was it up to me to fix the church? Who was I to think I could fix my church? I began to think maybe I was insane as I walked my neighborhood streets, talking out loud, crying and flipping back and forth emotionally. I asked over and over and over what I was to do with this.
I have this route I walk when I pray. It helps to go the same way every time, then there’s nothing new to distract me from my time with God. I was about two blocks from home and I felt just as burdened and anxious as when I had started. I began to feel like maybe I wasn’t going to get any answers (which made me more discouraged.) May be this wasn’t really me and God after all, maybe it was just all psychological therapy and I wasn’t doing it right. I told God that time was short and I needed help. I had committed myself to Him 17 1/2 years ago and I wasn’t going to give up, but I felt like I didn’t know which way to go anymore, and I couldn’t go on like this. What do you want me to do!?!
Just give yourself to my people
OK. It was weird, it just came to me. And I was peaceful about it, not anxious. (I always look at stories like this as I they’re a bit wacko, but I had been acting a bit wacko, so it’s probably appropriate.)
But what about the leadership?
Just give yourself to my people.
But what does that mean for me as a Deacon?
Just give yourself to my people.
What about…
Just give yourself to my people.
I began to think about the folks in the houses around me, acquaintances. No, I’m not talking about them. Those aren’t your problem or responsibility, let Me worry about them. I can take care of my wife, my kids, my close friends at church, the other deacons, my minister. Beyond that I have neighbors and coworkers; I can take care of them. It all sounds a bit hokey right now, but at that moment it was just what I needed. At that moment, it was the perspective that I needed and brought me peace (Although typing it has made me a bit anxious again. It sounds just plain cheesy.)
I had about a block left to go, so I prayed about those people. I prayed about my girls, that I’d be a better Dad like God was to me. I prayed for my wife, that I could be her partner, teammate, not another kid to care for. I prayed for two couples in church that are in counseling, but largely without the support of friends in the church, that they’d see the best in each other and hang in there. I prayed for my friend who lives far away, far from any church family, in the middle of nowhere, that he and his family would be OK. And I prayed that I’d remember Just give yourself to my people. because I already had started to forget.
And I arrived home with a proper perspective and much less burdened.
Interview Questions
OK, here are your questions. Post the answers in your blog and either trackback or leave a comment here when you do. Since each question naturally lead to others, most of them are multi-parters. Because of that, I’ve decided to only give four questions instead of five.
Greg
- Who was your greatest influence spiritually in your formative years and why?
- What is the graduate degree you’re pursuing? What lead you to that choice and where do you hope it takes you?
- If you could live anywhere in the world, where would it be?
- What has been the favorite car either you or your family has owned? If you could have any car you wanted now what would it be?
Shrode
- What lead you to be in the ministry? If you weren’t a minister, what would you want to do?
- If you could ask God one question, what would it be? Why?
- How long have the Thinklings known each other? How much of that time were you all in one place? When did you realize that this group of guys was going to be friends for this long?
- What has been the favorite car either you or your family has owned? If you could have any car you wanted now what would it be?
There you go. Now each of you open the invitation to interview 5 others on you blog. Maybe you’ll get a few more takers. 🙂
All Alone
Maria and the girls just left for the whole day for a school Mom and daughter makeover day. They’l be gone for over 6 hours and the only thing on my honeydo list is the dishes.
This doesn’t happen often.
Never Seen Ice?
I was listening to my local NPR station at work, as I usually do, and was struck by todays episode of NPR’s Pulse of the Planet. They talked about the Tully NY ice festival that celebrates the days when ice would be cut out of a frozen lake nearby. That got me thinking about how folks in Florida got ice? I’m sure that I’m missing something there, but it rarely gets that cold down in Key West, what did they do?
Then I though about folks that live in tropical places, say on the equator a hundred or two hundred years ago. These people probably never left their immediate area for their entire life. It seems logical, then, that they never saw ice and probably didn’t even know that water would freeze. Can you imagine?
Then I thought of all that I know and all that my daughters are being taught. My 7 1/2 year old brought home a protractor from school and my 6 year old is doing amazing at reading. I know about atoms and protons, I understand trigonometry, I can tell you how plastic is molded, I understand the basics about electricity and combustion engines, I can operate a computer and a car, I know what photosynthesis is and I understand what my blood, lungs, and kidneys do. I can remember my ATM password, my PC login, how to program my VCR and how to set the clock in my minivan.
Rewind a thousand years and most folks can’t read. I imagine that most can’t do more than basic math, there are no machines to speak of, no electricity, not much knowledge of medicine. I’m amazed at the expansion of knowledge and that the human brain just keep soaking it in. In my average, limited brain I have more knowledge than entire towns did centuries ago. My daughters will probable know even more.
Amazing.
Galilee to Judea
Matthew 11:20-30, 19:1-2, Mark 10:1, Luke 9:51-56, 17:11-19, 10:1-42, 11:1-13
Luke 9:51 – He resolutely set out.
Luke 9:52-56 – What gave James an John the idea that they could do this, that they has the power? These couple of sentences hide a lot more to the story that I’d love to learn.
Luke 17:11-19 – What drew them to Jesus as He approached? What made them immediately call Him master? Was it simply a term of respect, or was it like a slave speaking to his owner?
There is much debate on the 9 who did not return. Did their leprosy return? Some may say that Jesus’ words to th thankful Samaritan would imply that, but I doubt it. It would not be consistent with Jesus character to punish those others for not obeying a command He did not give them. He is not s punitive, letter of the law kind of guy. Those 9 had faith, obeyed and were cleansed as well.
Luke 10:16 – A prideful man interprets this verse to give more power and credit to himself that he deserves. He looks down on those who disagrees with him, thinking that means they reject Jesus too.
Luke 10:20 – Why don’t I rejoice more often that my name is written in heaven? I wish I could be more content with that.
Luke 10:21-24 – I wonder what to make of this verse in terms of predestination. Certainly a plain reading of the text would indicate that it is God who chooses some to understand and others not to. But in my life I seem to have made decisions to look and to see. I know that in the past year or so I have asked God to help me see what he sees. But although I felt that I had initiated it, I had the distinct feeling that God had opened my eyes. Certainly the things revealed were there all the time, but I did not see until God allowed me too. But God did not reveal it until I asked. Perhaps there’s something there for me to learn, perhaps not. Perhaps I’m hallucinating. 🙂
Luke 11:28-30 – I certainly have felt ‘weary and burdened’ lately, but I’ve felt it was because of taking on Jesus’ yoke. Hmm. Perhaps I’ve got something else to learn from Jesus. He spoke for the lost sheep and those neglected by the world, but he was not burdened by it. He did not battle the leaders nor get depressed when they didn’t listen to him. He simply went about doing God’s will, regardless of what people thought.
Luke 11:9-10 – I think that this is one of the most profound promises of God. Not to get material things, but to get understanding, wisdom and to see and find God.
New Blogroll
I’ve completely redone my blogroll (that’s the link menu on the left) using the MT Blogroll plugin from Arvind Satyanarayan. If you’re saying “But it looks exactly the same” you’d be right. The look is the same, but the underlying code is different. The old way was a stand alone HTML file that I had to manually edit, now it’s managed from within Movable Type. Adding new links is much easier (there’s a ‘blogroll it’ button in my IE favorites) and they’ll show up in the menu automatically.
The geek in me thinks it’s pretty cool.
Interview Meme
Jared posted an interview another blogger did of him on his site. He answered the questions and then asked for 5 participants to be interviewed. Foolish man that I am, I stepped up and became number 5. Little did I know that he’d ask such tough questions. Oh well, here goes.
1. Today you are being executed (for a crime you didn’t commit, naturally). What did you request for your last meal?
Wow, that’s a tough one. I can think of a number of great meals, but one thing is certain. I’d tell the prison chef to take the night off and have my wife cook the meal for me. In 12 years of marriage, I can count on one hand the number of bad meals I’ve had. I’m a huge fan of “N Noodles”. You know beef-n-noodles, tuna-n-noodles, etc. Her meatloaf is awesome as is her potato soup and ground beef vegetable soup. That being said, I’d probably want prime rib, grilled medium, French fries (I love fries), corn on the cob and Handel’s ice cream. Maria would fins a way to marinate or otherwise season the steak so that it was absolutely out of this world.
2. You’ve got a weekend free and money is no object. You can’t leave town, but you can do anything you want in the city where you live. What do you do?
Can’t leave town? Well, I’d get a room in the Harrison House bed and breakfast (I’m assuming we’ve got a sitter. :-). Maria and I like to go out to eat, so we’d go out to eat at R.J. Snappers and probably a Cameron Mitchell restaurant or two (The Fish Market and Cap City Diner come to mind.) We’d spend some time shopping at Easton, a trendy upscale mall that has the feel of a town square and we might visit the Franklin Park Conservatory.
3. Who was the most influential person on your life when you were a kid? How did they influence you?
That’s a tough one. I think I’d have to say my friend Wayne McKay in High School. He was a year behind me and moved to Maumee OH before my Junior year, I think. I was decidedly unpopular. The guys my age on my little one block street were very popular and I was always trying, sometimes successfully, to worm my way into their activities. Well, about the time Wayne moved into town, I was finally coming to grips with the fact that they did not want me around. They were starting to drink too, which made me nervous. Wayne came to town and he just wanted to hang out with me. For some reason, he and I clicked and I had a friend that I could trust and talk to about just about anything. In hindsight, I don’t think I was as good a friend to him. After High School I went to college and he went to work. He was a DJ for a company that did High School dances for a while and eventually found his way into a job as an assistant stage manager on an around the world cruise in the late 80’s. We kept in tough for a while, but I lost him about 12 or 15 yeas ago. I think about him every now and then and wonder what he’s up to.
4. Your house is on fire but thankfully is everyone is safe. However, you only have seconds to get out of the house. What one item do you take the time to save on your way out?
Man, first I’m being executed, now my house is on fire! One item, huh? Well I’m torn between the sentimental and the practical. The practical side says grab my wife’s PC because it has all of our finances on it. The sentimental says gab the scrapbooks. My wife is an avid scrap-booker and we have about 12-15 awesome books chronicling our life. I think the PC would win because it’s close to the door and it also has our digital photos on it. (If I had time to go back I’d get the garage door up and get my 1960 Thunderbird Convertible out too.)
5. If they made a movie of your life, who should play you?
I’m not big on actors and stuff, so this was tough. I guess I’d say Keanu Reeves. He’s about my age (3 years older) and he’s done serious, deep roles (Matrix) but he’s done goofy stuff too (Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure.) I like to think that I’m a pretty deep and serious person, but I have a goofy side too. Probably a lousy choice, but I can’t think of anyone else.
Well, there you go. So the deal now is that the first 5 comments get to be interviewed to. I’ll give you 5 questions and you post the answers on your blog or in the comments of mine.
When Do You Leave Your Family?
(That title ought to get people curious. Don’t panic, read on.)
A couple of weeks ago I came across this post at Radical Congruency which quoted an entire article by Greg Kendall-Ball at the New Wineskins blog. It was about why folks leave the church.
Now in my church family (ICoC) the upheaval in the past two years has been hard. We’ve learned a lot about ourselves and our churches and each other. Some, in response to what they’ve seen, have decided to leave for what they hoped would be greener pastures. In some cases they were long, soul wrenching times of introspection before they left, in others it seemed more spontaneous. In my church we’ve lost I’d guess 20 – 30 members in the past 2 -3 years. In the last year or so, several of those have been my closest friends. They’ve left, to some degree, over issues that I’ve agreed with them on, at least on some level. I’d be lying if I said that the thought that perhaps I too should leave hadn’t crossed my mind. It has even been suggested by some who left, not directly but indirectly, that they thought I would eventually follow those men.
Which brings the question, when is it time to leave? Now for those members of my church reading this, don’t get the wrong idea. I am not planning on leaving, I don’t feel compelled to do so nor do I see myself moving in that direction. I do have some things I am frustrated with, some bigger than others, but I’m not going anywhere right now. Please don’t read into this post anything of the sort. It’s simply a discussion of the issue of leaving a church.
So back to the question, when leave? Or better yet, how do you decide if this is an issue worth leaving over. I can imagine things that would cause me to step down from a leadership role, but to leave to go to another church? I can’t see it. I love these people; I’ve been here in this church from the beginning. I uprooted my family to move here to start this church. So what could be so big that I’d be willing to give it up and move on, starting over with new relationships?
Watching folks I’m close to leave has made me think about it. At times I have felt that it may inevitable that I too leave. The thought made me very sad and depressed. I don’t want to start over, to try to find someplace where I can trust the people. Somewhere I’ll be taken care of and where I can care for people. I think about how sad it would be that one of the founders of the church felt compelled to leave what he had started (That’s already happened. One of those four in my earlier post was one of the founding members of the congregation.) I though why should I leave, I was here first! Where would I go? Move to another city? Would it be better there? All thoughts brought me back to, what would make me go through all that?
That brings me back to Greg’s New Wineskins post. He writes about this thing that seems to plague not only the ICoC, but the CoC’s as a whole. That is the idea that some doctrinal issue or personal disagreement is big enough that a person feels the need to leave. I know that the CoC’s are not alone in this, churches have been splitting since Luther nailed his Thesis to the church door. But we seem to be particularly good at it. Greg lays out the story of a few people who have left the CoC recently, and talks about how sad it is for the church to loose those voices and their insight.
At the end of the article he acknowledges that there is no easy solution, and admits that he has no magic bullet. But then he hits on something profound:
One possible solution (and I am thinking of my family here), is for the church to act more like a family, and less like a country club. In my family we can disagree, we can argue, we can spit and scream and scratch . . . but leaving the family, breaking those bonds, is unthinkable. But in a country club, if I don’t like the new members, or the greens are getting a little rough, I can always take my dues and find a better club that suits me more, or I can push members out or bar others from getting in.
This idea has shaped my thought on this in recent weeks. This is not just an organization I belong to, it’s my church, my family. Family can be a real pain sometimes (family – sorry about that, but it’s true), but you’d never, never, never think about leaving them. You may stay away, even for years, but only in extreme cases of physical or mental danger or abuse would you disown your family. And even then, you’d probably acknowledge that they were your family. Family is permanent, membership is temporary.
If you think about it, that’s how God works with us. We call Him Father, He calls us Sons and Daughters. Jesus is our brother. We are members, not of God’s club, but his household.
So yes, I may have issues with my church. Actually, I will probably always have some. Yes I may even decide I can’t be a part of the leadership at some point due to that. But to leave – this is my family, why would leave and where would I go? It’s possible, but things would have to get real, real bad for that to happen.
Cool Freeware
Searching for some help with a batch file at work, I stumbled on this page listing a bunch of freeware. Adaware SE, a spy-ware removal tool, is a the top of the list. I was aware if that one as well as the Google Toolbar for IE (someone has done a FireFox version too.) Just above that was Fontlist which allows you to see any phrase displayed in every font on your PC.
But farther down the list was, for this fat fingered typist, the Holy Grail of free IE browser extensions, IEspell. I can now spell check my posts directly in MT and I can spell check my comments on other blogs and forums I visit. Any place you enter text in IE, you can spell check. How cool is that?
Linkage updates
For those of my readers who also read the Thinklings, their site appears to be down. The thinklings.org domain is messed up but you can still get to the site via thinklings.com. That applies to Jared’s site (Mysterium Tremendum) too.
Also, Messy Christian has moved her blog away from TypePad to a stand alone Moveable Type blog at www.messychristian.com. Her TypePad blog will go away at the end of the month.
I haven’t changed either link at the left yet, I’ll get to that later.
UPDATE: I fixed the link to Messy Christian and the Thinklings seem to be back to normal now.
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