{"id":734,"date":"2007-10-13T17:41:10","date_gmt":"2007-10-13T17:41:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2007\/10\/new_church_nont.shtml"},"modified":"2021-05-29T02:45:32","modified_gmt":"2021-05-29T02:45:32","slug":"new_church_nont","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2007\/10\/new_church_nont.shtml","title":{"rendered":"Now How Much Will You Pay?"},"content":{"rendered":"

There have been some rumblings of late about the proposal formally known as the UP, now the UPC. I’ve thought about posting on it, but Pinakidion has been doing a good job at keeping up with it. Alan has a great essay<\/a> on it up now too. Mostly I prefer to ignore it lately.
\nThis past week however, was the big leaders shindig, the International Leadership Conference. There was a lot of UPC activity. There’s still a push to get the rest of the churches who haven’t signed to get with the program and ratify the dumb thing.
\nBut the thing that got my attention was a report on the delegate meeting at a new site that I just learned about, ICOC Hot News<\/a>. The site is run by Mike Taliaferro & Justin Renton. Mike wrote the report on the delegate meeting<\/a>. This is what got my attention.<\/p>\n

Disciples Today is asking each first world church to give $6 per member per year to help maintain and expand our web presence. All agreed that Disciples Today needs to be a website without subscription fees. Of course, the delegates have no authority to tax anyone. They will simply appeal to the local congregations for support. <\/p><\/blockquote>\n

I like the fact that they at least agree that they can’t tax us, that’s nice. I also like that they think that Disciples Today<\/a> shouldn’t have subscription fees. Both come right after asking for $6\/member to run DT.
\nFor our 120 member church, that’s $720 per year to DT. That’s over 10 times what I spend on salguod.net, and I bet it’s many times what our church spends on its web site.
\nLets do a little math. Mission Memo reports<\/a> an estimated 2006 ICOC membership of around 88,500 and that 38% are in the USA. That means about 33,600 folks in the US. Assuming that they are only asking USA churches (they are likely asking all 1st world, a higher number) for $6 that means they are asking for $201,700 per year for DT.
\nThat’s absolutely nuts. That’s over 2,000 times<\/em> the cost of running salguod.net. No reason at all that it should cost so much. I would guess it should cost a hundredth of that amount. Where in the world are they going to spend $200 grand? Salaries? How many full time folks do they need and at what salary? Someone tell me that I interpreted this wrong.
\nThe bigger question to me is didn’t any of the delegates have a calculator? Did this proposal just go through unquestioned? I have no idea, but Mike reports it rather nonchalantly as if it was perfectly reasonable.
\nNot to mention that DT is not the best designed site. When I was a member, I found it hard to navigate and a little buggy. The connections feature (one of the reasons I actually joined) was disappointing as there weren’t many folks on it and it actually was an additional cost to connect with the few that were there. If they are going to command the kind of money that they have been ($40 per year membership fee now for first world individuals) or collect from churches at the rate they are proposing, they need to seriously update the site.
\nI’ve got an idea. I’ll do it for half that amount. That’s right Cooperating Churches, give me a mere $100,000 per year and I’ll run DT. What a bargain.
\nI guess I’ve got something to talk to the board about now.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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