{"id":531,"date":"2006-07-28T12:53:42","date_gmt":"2006-07-28T12:53:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2006\/07\/credit_where_cr_1.shtml"},"modified":"2021-05-29T02:46:45","modified_gmt":"2021-05-29T02:46:45","slug":"credit_where_cr_1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2006\/07\/credit_where_cr_1.shtml","title":{"rendered":"Credit Where Credit is Due, Part II"},"content":{"rendered":"

You may remember that I wrote<\/a> about this apology<\/a> last month:<\/p>\n

Though we are supportive of new congregations of dedicated disciples, let me extend a heartfelt apology to the churches in Chicago, Phoenix and Kiev for giving the impression of a “blanket condemnation” that there were no disciples in them or that their congregations “were spiritually dead.” Please forgive me. I know that there are many “sold-out” disciples in these congregations.<\/p>\n

Kip McKean, June 11, 2006<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I and others were encouraged, but skeptical. Well, the other shoe has dropped with the conclusion of this proclamation<\/a>:<\/p>\n

This past week, Elena and I returned from a missionary trip that included Chicago and Kiev, Ukraine. Praise God at the inaugural service of the Chicago International Christian Church on July 2, with just one week’s work by 29 disciples daily proclaiming Christ, 122 attended their first service! The next day God blessed them with their first baptism! In Kiev, the newly formed Kiev International Christian Church which numbers 30 disciples, likewise had over 100 at their inaugural service in April! Today, at our Rose Garden Service, the Spirit is sending out 14 disciples from Portland to Phoenix, Arizona. Ten months ago four disciples started a new congregation of sold-out disciples in Phoenix. Now they number twenty! Recently they asked for a “Portland trained” evangelist. Matt and Helen Sullivan (and their three kids) will now spearhead the proclamation of Christ to the five million lost souls of Phoenix!
\n… Soon Chicago, Kiev and Phoenix will be filled with the good news of Jesus! Let all disciples, everywhere regain the faith that whole nations like Chile, in fact all nations, can be filled with the proclamation of Christ in this generation! And to God be the glory!<\/p>\n

Kip McKean, July 23, 2006<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

[Sigh.] I wish I wasn’t surprised. His own words reveal just how heartfelt his apology was as he continues to “[give] the impression of a “blanket condemnation” that there [are] no disciples” in these cites and the ICOC (and other) congregations there.
\nI don’t know why I feel compelled to write about this again other than my historical connections with Kip and the sadness I feel as the Gospel is twisted into a conquest. Doesn’t really effect me or my church, however.
\nThanks to Pinakidion<\/a> for the info.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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