{"id":445,"date":"2006-02-11T20:47:51","date_gmt":"2006-02-11T20:47:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2006\/02\/romans_9.shtml"},"modified":"2021-05-29T02:46:47","modified_gmt":"2021-05-29T02:46:47","slug":"romans_9","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2006\/02\/romans_9.shtml","title":{"rendered":"Romans 9"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Romans 9:3 &#8211; I cannot imagine saying this.  I guess I can imagine the longing to have those you love know what you know, but to wish to be cut off?<br \/>\nRomans 9:13 &#8211; Was this God speaking about Jacob and Esau?  Did God say he <em>hated<\/em> Esau?<br \/>\nRomans 9:14-24 &#8211; I have to admit that a plain reading of this passage seems to support the idea of pre-destination.  I can&#8217;t wrap my mind around this and I am only reading Romans 9 in isolation, but it seems that Paul is saying God chooses.  Some, like Pharaoh and Esau, are chosen to be objects of God&#8217;s wrath, others are chosen for higher purposes.  I can&#8217;t bring myself to believe the Calvinist position of predestination, however.  I&#8217;m still not sure what to make of this.<br \/>\nRomans 9:30-31 &#8211; This verse and verse 24 remind me that the greater point that Paul was making is that Jew and Gentile are alike, both in sin, both justified by faith.  So, if it is our faith that will save us it is not simple God&#8217;s pre-destination, right?  That still, unfortunately, doesn&#8217;t quite explain the previous section!  Another question to ask the Master when I get there.  \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Romans 9:3 &#8211; I cannot imagine saying this. 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