{"id":434,"date":"2006-01-12T22:30:31","date_gmt":"2006-01-12T22:30:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2006\/01\/romans_12_take.shtml"},"modified":"2021-05-29T02:46:47","modified_gmt":"2021-05-29T02:46:47","slug":"romans_12_take","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2006\/01\/romans_12_take.shtml","title":{"rendered":"Romans 1-2, Take 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Since The Message isn&#8217;t really a good study version, I&#8217;ve decided to try something different.  I&#8217;ve heard good things about the ESV, so I&#8217;m going to give that a whirl for a while.  I will likely change the auto-linking to go to the ESV as well, although the old quotations will stay NIV.  Since I&#8217;m changing translations again and I had only read the first Chapter of Romans, I figures I ought to just start over.  To here we go.<\/em><br \/>\n<strong>Romans 1:17<\/strong> &#8211; The footnote for verse 17 in the ESV reads &#8220;beginning and ending in faith&#8221;.  I feel as though I forget how faith is the beginning of Christianity.  I think of relationships and love, but it all rests on our faith.<br \/>\n<strong>Romans 2:1-3<\/strong> &#8211; Being judgmental, like this describes, is not only sinful, but it&#8217;s hard.  Not hard on the one you&#8217;ve judged, although it is that, but hard on yourself.  I know, for that&#8217;s me.  For years, for whatever reason, I&#8217;ve looked in judgment on nearly everyone around me.  It has become such  part of who I am that I scarcely notice it.  If you are different or have a different view, even a different preference, you are wrong.  I&#8217;m not entirely sure where this comes from in me, but it is prevalent.  I wonder sometimes if I can escape it.  What&#8217;s worse is I&#8217;ve begun to see how it has hurt me more than it&#8217;s hurt those I&#8217;ve judged.  In many cases, they have no knowledge of what&#8217;s in my mind, thankfully.  But because this is how I tend to think, it&#8217;s how I assume others think as well.  So, any words of disappointment, frustration or anger I interpret as criticism of me personally.  When my wife has a headache, I feel responsible.  If her PC isn&#8217;t running right, I feel that I&#8217;m to blame.  If someone expresses disappointment to me, I feel that it must mean that they think I&#8217;m to blame for it.  I&#8217;ve found that I don&#8217;t know how to just hear someone express something negative without taking it personally.  I hope that being able to see it will help me overcome it, but It&#8217;s hard to see how.<br \/>\n<strong>Romans 2:7<\/strong> &#8211; &#8220;patience in well-doing&#8221;.  Not persistence or perseverance but patience.  Patience to me implies waiting, not &#8220;doing&#8221;.  Does that mean we keep doing, even while wait on God for the results or the reward?<br \/>\n<strong>Romans 2:25-29<\/strong> &#8211; I guess some use this passage to teach that those who are not baptized, but who live the heart of Christianity will still be saved.  I do see the parallel here and I think it&#8217;s valid.  But the point Paul was making here was not that circumcision was trivial or even optional.  He was saying that it it not what made one a Jew.  It was one&#8217;s heart that made one a Jew, circumcision was secondary to that.  I think the same can be said of baptism.  It is not a dunking that makes one a Christian.  It&#8217;s a change of heart, repentance, <em>metenoia<\/em>, that make one a Christian, the baptism is secondary.  Not that baptism is trivial or optional for salvation, but it is not what makes a man righteous before God.  Jesus said something similar in Luke 11:37-41, did He not?  Will the righteous, yet unbaptized be saved?  It&#8217;s not my place to say for sure, but presuming such a man exists (and he was merely ignorant of the command of baptism, not defiant of it), I would think so.  However, knowing as we do that God has promised us forgiveness in baptism, but has not promised anything out side of it, why chance it?  This verse does not, as some might like, get us off the hook for teaching what baptism is to a religious world who doesn&#8217;t want to hear it, it merely reminds us if it&#8217;s proper place.  Vital, but secondary.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Since The Message isn&#8217;t really a good study version, I&#8217;ve decided to try something different. I&#8217;ve heard good things about the ESV, so I&#8217;m going to give that a whirl<a href=\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2006\/01\/romans_12_take.shtml\" class=\"more-link\">Read More <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Romans 1-2, Take 2<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[6],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.8.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Romans 1-2, Take 2 - salguod.net<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2006\/01\/romans_12_take.shtml\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Romans 1-2, Take 2 - salguod.net\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Since The Message isn&#8217;t really a good study version, I&#8217;ve decided to try something different. 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