{"id":408,"date":"2005-11-15T23:38:26","date_gmt":"2005-11-15T23:38:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml"},"modified":"2021-05-29T02:46:48","modified_gmt":"2021-05-29T02:46:48","slug":"great_minds_thi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml","title":{"rendered":"Great Minds Think Alike"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>A few days ago, Pinakidion posted a <a href=\"http:\/\/pinakidion.us\/2005\/11\/10\/367\/\">laments<\/a> about what he calls the move toward a &#8216;Kinder Gentler ICOC&#8217;.  In other words, essentially the same as we&#8217;ve always been, but with all the rough edges sanded off.  We&#8217;ll take away the compulsory discipling, the stat sheets, the forced giving levels, the levels of staffing above the individual church level, but we&#8217;ll leave the same basic ideas &#8211; evangelism and growth focused, performance mindset, everyone &#8216;sold out&#8217; &#8211; in place.  He points to a few articles and studies that are getting at real reform as better models.<br \/>\nSunday our minister articuated much the same idea with different words.  He pointed out that when we are confronted with rotten fruit of sin in our lives, the temptation is to react by frantically yanking the rotten fruit off of the tree.  Simply pulling the rotten fruit off may make us look better, but it does nothing to produce good fruit.  The tree is cleaned up, but remains the same at the root.  Instead, we should go to the root of the tree, to feed it, strengthen it and heal it so it would produce good fruit.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A few days ago, Pinakidion posted a laments about what he calls the move toward a &#8216;Kinder Gentler ICOC&#8217;. In other words, essentially the same as we&#8217;ve always been, but<a href=\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml\" class=\"more-link\">Read More <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Great Minds Think Alike<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[2],"tags":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.8.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Great Minds Think Alike - salguod.net<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Great Minds Think Alike - salguod.net\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"A few days ago, Pinakidion posted a laments about what he calls the move toward a &#8216;Kinder Gentler ICOC&#8217;. In other words, essentially the same as we&#8217;ve always been, butRead More Great Minds Think Alike\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"salguod.net\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2005-11-15T23:38:26+00:00\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:modified_time\" content=\"2021-05-29T02:46:48+00:00\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Doug Schaefer\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:card\" content=\"summary_large_image\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:creator\" content=\"@salguod\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"Doug Schaefer\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"1 minute\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml\",\"name\":\"Great Minds Think Alike - salguod.net\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2005-11-15T23:38:26+00:00\",\"dateModified\":\"2021-05-29T02:46:48+00:00\",\"author\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/2237e297e41300051087d8791343043f\"},\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"Great Minds Think Alike\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/\",\"name\":\"salguod.net\",\"description\":\"Stuff I Think Up\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":\"required name=search_term_string\"}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\"},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/2237e297e41300051087d8791343043f\",\"name\":\"Doug Schaefer\",\"image\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/d8dde291ac4514740353f4bb9cbd9418?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/d8dde291ac4514740353f4bb9cbd9418?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"caption\":\"Doug Schaefer\"},\"sameAs\":[\"http:\/\/salguod.net\",\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/salguod\"],\"url\":\"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/author\/salguod\"}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"Great Minds Think Alike - salguod.net","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml","og_locale":"en_US","og_type":"article","og_title":"Great Minds Think Alike - salguod.net","og_description":"A few days ago, Pinakidion posted a laments about what he calls the move toward a &#8216;Kinder Gentler ICOC&#8217;. In other words, essentially the same as we&#8217;ve always been, butRead More Great Minds Think Alike","og_url":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml","og_site_name":"salguod.net","article_published_time":"2005-11-15T23:38:26+00:00","article_modified_time":"2021-05-29T02:46:48+00:00","author":"Doug Schaefer","twitter_card":"summary_large_image","twitter_creator":"@salguod","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"Doug Schaefer","Est. reading time":"1 minute"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml","url":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml","name":"Great Minds Think Alike - salguod.net","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/#website"},"datePublished":"2005-11-15T23:38:26+00:00","dateModified":"2021-05-29T02:46:48+00:00","author":{"@id":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/2237e297e41300051087d8791343043f"},"breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/great_minds_thi.shtml#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"Great Minds Think Alike"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/#website","url":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/","name":"salguod.net","description":"Stuff I Think Up","potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":"required name=search_term_string"}],"inLanguage":"en-US"},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/2237e297e41300051087d8791343043f","name":"Doug Schaefer","image":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-US","@id":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/#\/schema\/person\/image\/","url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/d8dde291ac4514740353f4bb9cbd9418?s=96&d=mm&r=g","contentUrl":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/d8dde291ac4514740353f4bb9cbd9418?s=96&d=mm&r=g","caption":"Doug Schaefer"},"sameAs":["http:\/\/salguod.net","https:\/\/twitter.com\/salguod"],"url":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/author\/salguod"}]}},"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":686,"url":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2007\/06\/good_news_shari.shtml","url_meta":{"origin":408,"position":0},"title":"Good News Sharing","author":"Doug Schaefer","date":"June 7, 2007","format":false,"excerpt":"Last night at our midweek service, we simply had a session of good news sharing. This is a tried and true ICOC tradition that would degrade at times into \"I did a good deed\" sharing instead. However, while giving the congregation an opportunity to share what God's doing can be\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;God and Church&quot;","block_context":{"text":"God and Church","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/god-and-church"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":746,"url":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2007\/12\/bonhoffer_on_co.shtml","url_meta":{"origin":408,"position":1},"title":"Bonhoffer on Community","author":"Doug Schaefer","date":"December 1, 2007","format":false,"excerpt":"From Alan's great post on building the church comes this quote from Dietrich Bonnhoffer: Love community, and you will kill it. Love your brother, and you will build it. Brilliant. How many times do we try to produce the fruit of the kingdom rather than simply seeking it and living\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;God and Church&quot;","block_context":{"text":"God and Church","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/god-and-church"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":154,"url":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2004\/06\/and_then_there_1.shtml","url_meta":{"origin":408,"position":2},"title":"And then there were four &#8230;","author":"Doug Schaefer","date":"June 18, 2004","format":false,"excerpt":"I had started this post a few weeks ago but never finished it. It bears completing, bringing some unfortunate closure to the events in my church over the past few months. Well, what I had feared has happened. The deacon who stepped down just a few weeks ago told me\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;God and Church&quot;","block_context":{"text":"God and Church","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/god-and-church"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":506,"url":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2006\/06\/credit_where_cr.shtml","url_meta":{"origin":408,"position":3},"title":"Credit Where Credit is Due","author":"Doug Schaefer","date":"June 14, 2006","format":false,"excerpt":"I've spent enough time here pointing out his faults and sins, it's only fair that I do the same when I see him get it right. From the latest article from Kip McKean:I am so sorry to everyone who is striving to be a dedicated disciple of Jesus. Please forgive\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;God and Church&quot;","block_context":{"text":"God and Church","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/god-and-church"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":572,"url":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2006\/10\/midweek.shtml","url_meta":{"origin":408,"position":4},"title":"Midweek Lesson &#8211; 10\/25","author":"Doug Schaefer","date":"October 26, 2006","format":false,"excerpt":"In the past few months we've talked about identifying our spiritual gifts & having dreams for God. I want to expand on this from something I learned at a men's retreat with my Dad 2 weekends ago. I've come to believe even more strongly that God has a personal vision\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;God and Church&quot;","block_context":{"text":"God and Church","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/god-and-church"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]},{"id":427,"url":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/12\/to_the_church_i.shtml","url_meta":{"origin":408,"position":5},"title":"To The Church In Columbus","author":"Doug Schaefer","date":"December 21, 2005","format":false,"excerpt":"As we are going through this process of Corporate Repentance, we've looked a lot at Revelation 2-3. These letters to the churches were a wake up call to most of them, I bet. Nearly all were recipients of a serious reproof by God. I suspect none of them saw it\u2026","rel":"","context":"In &quot;God and Church&quot;","block_context":{"text":"God and Church","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/god-and-church"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"","width":0,"height":0},"classes":[]}],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/408"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=408"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/408\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1865,"href":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/408\/revisions\/1865"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=408"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=408"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=408"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}