{"id":401,"date":"2005-11-04T23:22:19","date_gmt":"2005-11-04T23:22:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/and_then_there.shtml"},"modified":"2021-05-29T02:46:48","modified_gmt":"2021-05-29T02:46:48","slug":"and_then_there","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/11\/and_then_there.shtml","title":{"rendered":"And Then There Were 84 …"},"content":{"rendered":"

The other shoe has dropped in regard to Mr. McKean. Another letter to Kip<\/a> has been posted at Disciples Today in the ‘paid only’ section of the site. It will reportedly be made public at a later time. The letter points out that Kip has never responded to the prior letter<\/a> (the Portland response<\/a> to the previous letter was not from Kip, but from the Portland leadership.) In fact, since that time he’s been uncharacteristically silent, no postings at all from Kip on the Portland web site. In light of that silence and of the continuing theme coming from there, these, now 84, leaders have announced that they will have no fellowship with him until he repents.
\nI’m both encouraged by this and ambivalent. Pinakidion has some great thoughts<\/a> about the 13 ‘Convictions’ listed in the letter. That’s up from 10 in the first one, he points out, and the additions are a little troubling. Why do ICOC leaders have the thing about telling people who to date and marry, I wonder? Pinakidion, though, goes farther than that and questions the need for and the wisdom in lists of common beliefs or convictions like this. There is great value in individuals or even individual congregations searching these things out, but beyond that they only serve to divide.
\nAnywho, that’s the latest. I’m getting a little tired of this whole thing, so I hope it’s over. Probably not quite yet, but maybe we’re close.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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