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Let’s pretend a minute, OK?
\nPretend that you are the leader of a moderate sized church.
\nPretend that you are well known in your fellowship of churches. In fact you were once the leader of said fellowship and are largely credited with being its founder.
\nPretend that after many “urgent” conversations in recent weeks, sixty five<\/em><\/strong> well known leaders of of your fellowship from at least 11 countries<\/strong><\/em> and every continent, including many personal friends, publicize a 12 page rebuke<\/a> (HTML version<\/a>), listing your sins, documenting a lack of repentance and calling for change.
\nHow would you respond? Indignation? Eager to see justice done? Alarm? In other words, godly sorrow<\/a>? Perhaps there would be hurt, tears, fasting, prayer and much advice from Godly men as well. I think if it had gotten that serious that they had to go public, perhaps I should consider a career change.
\nOr maybe you’d fight back<\/a>, defending your actions, avoiding addressing the specific charges, attacking your accusers, quoting misleading statistics (see today’s post at ICOCinfo<\/a>) and generally obfuscate the issue.
\nThis past week, that’s exactly what happened. Sixty Five men publicly<\/em> addressed the sins of Kip McKean, calling for repentance. To put it bluntly, he refused, justifying his sins as God’s work. I’m not sure what happens next, but Kip seems determined to take the International Church of Christ name for himself and those with him, attacking churches for removing ‘International’ from their name. The irony here is that very few ICOC churches ever had ‘International’ in their name. Prior to Portland the only one I had ever heard of was the Indianapolis International Church of Christ. True to form, he is creating controversies rather than doing the hard work of loving people, respecting differences, honoring Godly diversity, binding the wounded and pointing people away from worldly diversions to their amazing God.
\nAs far as I’m concerned, he can have the name and title, since it seems to be important to him. For many the ICOC will always be connected to the flawed doctrines of Kip McKean, which he refuses to let go of, and I want no part of it. What we call ourselves here in Columbus matters not at all. We can be “The Church of What’s Happening Now Baby!” for all I care as long as we’re doing the work of God.
\n(NOTE<\/u><\/strong>: What I’m not<\/strong> saying:
\nI’m leaving the ICOC.<\/em> Maybe intellectually, but not physically. I think I left the ICOC intellectually a while ago, frankly.
\nMy church is leaving the ICOC.<\/em> Not my call, and not likely, as I see it now. That just fine with me because I don’t see any interest in following Kip’s lead either.
\nJust thought I should clarify.)<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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