{"id":378,"date":"2005-09-01T13:32:27","date_gmt":"2005-09-01T13:32:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/09\/more_from_la_on.shtml"},"modified":"2021-05-29T02:46:48","modified_gmt":"2021-05-29T02:46:48","slug":"more_from_la_on","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2005\/09\/more_from_la_on.shtml","title":{"rendered":"More From LA on Their Statement"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>From <a href=\"http:\/\/www.icocinfo.org\/\">ICOCinfo<\/a>, I&#8217;ve learned that LA has released a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.laicc.net\/Content\/Articles\/2005\/QA.htm\">FAQ<\/a> of sorts regarding their statement.<br \/>\nThey didn&#8217;t answer <a href=\"http:\/\/www.salguod.net\/weblog\/archive\/000356.shtml\">my one-word question<\/a>, though.  \ud83d\ude42<br \/>\nI think that the first question speaks volumes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>1. What exactly are you asking us to sign up for?<br \/>\nA:  We are simply calling for those churches that are unified on the statement of beliefs, practices, and brotherhood to begin the process of rebuilding a stronger and more unified brotherhood.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So, all you&#8217;re asking is to say that you believe in, stand for and will practice those 2 pages (containining, by my count, some 39 individual items) of beliefs, practices and brotherhood? (My rewording of question 2, listed in the Q&#038;A simply as &#8220;That&#8217;s it?&#8221;)<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>A:  That&#8217;s it.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Yes, I&#8217;m being a little sarcastic here, but let&#8217;s look at the whole picture, please.  It&#8217;s not as simple as that answer tries to make it.<br \/>\nTo be fair, there is some good clarification in there, most of it regarding the nitty gritty operations of the steering committee.  They do say they are not looking to define who&#8217;s in or who&#8217;s out or to exclude folks based on the unwillingness to sign on, and I believe them.  But in practice, I don&#8217;t see how this will not lead to some level of isolation and division.  Perhaps it won&#8217;t be catastrophicly divisive, but it will, by it&#8217;s nature, divide the larger group for the sake of some unitiy &#8211; or unifomity &#8211; in a smaller group.  Just as the creation of the ICOC did to the COC, just as the various beliefs of the COC (one cup or many, musical instruments, kitchens in church, etc.) have divided it and just as individual denominations over the centuries have done (ever counted how many flavors of Baptist there are, just to mention one?) over and over again.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>From ICOCinfo, I&#8217;ve learned that LA has released a FAQ of sorts regarding their statement. 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