{"id":1045,"date":"2010-08-24T12:10:25","date_gmt":"2010-08-24T12:10:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2010\/08\/1_corinthians_14_-_tongues_women.shtml"},"modified":"2021-05-29T02:44:39","modified_gmt":"2021-05-29T02:44:39","slug":"1_corinthians_14_-_tongues_women","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/salguod.net\/blog\/2010\/08\/1_corinthians_14_-_tongues_women.shtml","title":{"rendered":"1 Corinthians 14 &#8211; Tongues &#038; Women"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>1 Corinthians 14:1-5 &#8211; Reading this, I can&#8217;t help but feel alienated from what Paul&#8217;s teaching here.  I&#8217;ve never been a part of a church where speaking in tongues or other gifts have been practiced, and, frankly, always looked at them as suspect.  Paul says in verse 3 that he wants them all to speak in tongues, while my history includes no speaking in tongues at all.  I will not say that these gifts do not exist today, but I&#8217;m just not sure what to make of them.<br \/>\n1 Corinthians 14:6-19 &#8211; One of the reasons that speaking in tongues (the most common, it seems, of the Charismata) seems a bit suspect to me is the importance that some charismatic churches place on it.  If you don&#8217;t, there&#8217;s something wrong.  You aren&#8217;t really a Christian, you don&#8217;t have the spirit, God stands against you, you must be in sin, etc.  This leads to all kinds of fakery and theatrics to <em>prove<\/em> that you have the spirit and are in a right standing with God.<br \/>\nBased on what Paul says here, it was no different in Corinth.  Surely, speaking in tongues was an amazing gift.  To suddenly be enabled by the spirit to speak in another language would get one&#8217;s attention.  If it didn&#8217;t happen to you while it did to so many others, you might get insecure and spend an undue amount of energy perusing it.  Paul here says it&#8217;s not that important, better to pursue a gift that will build up the church, like prophesy.<br \/>\n1 Corinthians 14:20-25 &#8211; This paragraph ought to bring chills to some in the Charismatic movement.  So much is done for show, to prove to other believers that they are of God while unbelievers simply think they are nuts.  Paul would call them children.<br \/>\nFor those who wander in from Google, let me restate &#8211; I am not against the Charasmata.  I do not, as some do, claim that they no longer exist (though I do believe their importance is less).  Though I don&#8217;t understand them, I do not look down at those who practice them with sincere hearts.  My criticism is of those who put undue importance on them, in direct contradiction with Paul&#8217;s teachings here.  I would, someday, like a better understanding of those gifts and their applications today.<br \/>\n1 Corinthians 14:33b-35 &#8211; I wonder what this passage means for us today?  Paul says it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.  Of course, when we say &#8216;in church&#8217; we think &#8216;in the Sunday service&#8217;, but I don&#8217;t think that the church of Paul&#8217;s day had what we think of as &#8216;Sunday service&#8217;.  And today, we wouldn&#8217;t think of a woman speaking in a public gathering as shameful.  I wonder, was the shame that Paul&#8217;s referred to because it was shameful for a woman so speak out at any sort of gathering, or is he referring to something innate in the roles of men and woman that makes it shameful?<br \/>\nI&#8217;m not comfortable taking a stand on this, based on these for sentences alone.  Based on our present culture, it seems shameful to tell a woman that she cannot bring anything to the assembly to build it up (but I&#8217;m not sure I could go to a church where the minister was female).  On the other hand, Paul clearly says that this is the practice of all the churches and his teaching is not unclear.  It is not an easy passage to apply to today.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>1 Corinthians 14:1-5 &#8211; Reading this, I can&#8217;t help but feel alienated from what Paul&#8217;s teaching here. 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